Indiana Law Annotated Vol. 17 No. 3 September 13, 1999

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by Professor Sarah Hughes, Chair, Career Services Committee
As the On-Campus Interview Program begins each year, students are eager and anxious about their prospects and where to seek information about the process of securing employment in general. Many of the questions raised are constant from year-to-year. Here are some answers to the most common questions:

1. If my grades and experience put me outside the parameters mentioned by a prospective employer, but I am very interested in that employer, what should I do? The answer to this question depends on how far outside those parameters the student is. For at least two years, the CSO professionals have told students who are about 10 to 15% outside the stated parameters to put their resume in the "drop" for that employer. This means that if the student is in the top 40% of the class, it is practical to consider dropping for firms asking for credentials in the "25 to 30%" range. If the student has some very special attribute (foreign language proficiency helpful in the area of practice or prior work experience pertinent to the type of practice or client base (work as an engineer, teacher, musician, athlete, etc.), then straying somewhat farther outside the stated parameter is still appropriate. In these cases, the student could aim at the employers asking for credentials in the "top 20-25%" range. In addition, students outside the parameters but very, very interested in a particular employer might use one of the "preference" cards for that employer. Because the CSO draws for one or two interviews slots from the group of students who have used "preference" cards for that employer, this is not a certain bet that the student will get that employer, however.

2. In how many cities should I look for a job? Students should choose three markets and concentrate their search efforts, including on-campus interviews, on those cities. The primary exception to this guidance is that if the student wants a specific practice area, such as patent law or entertainment law, they may need to consider a larger number of prospective cities in order to find a place in that area.

3. Should I interview with firms that I really am not interested in? Absolutely not. Interviewers can tell if you are not interested and they deeply resent students who waste their time. In addition, students who take interviews they are not interested in keep other students from getting interviews they really want.

4. What should I take into an on-campus interview? Very little. It is very awkward to have items in hand when one enters a small room and needs to establish eye-contact and shake hands with the interviewer(s). The most one would want to take would be an extra copy or two of the resume and transcript, a small writing portfolio, and a pen or pencil. A briefcase or handbag is not needed.

5. Where can I get help preparing for the social events, like lunches and cocktail parties, that often are part of the interview process? What should I expect of them? The Career Services Office has several books on this subject, including at least one copy of the invaluable "How to Work a Room." Frankly, common sense is a very valuable tool. Some very basic social rules will apply:

Use the time to introduce yourself to more than one representative of the employer who is hosting the event. Do not monopolize the time of one interviewer or one representative of the firm.

Show that you recognize and respect the positions held by the interviewers in the firm that is hosting the event, even if they are your age peers or persons you knew from law or undergraduate school.

Be polite to the administrative personnel who are attending the same function, as well as to every person you may meet at the employer's offices. It is easy to overlook how important the administrative staff is to the employer and to the student's future work for the employer.

Do not order alcohol at lunch on a business day regardless of whether the interviewer does.

For lunches and cocktail parties immediately following the business day, wear the same type of clothing you wore to the interview.


Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, Professor of Psychology and Law at the University of Washington, will be at IU this week to deliver the Patten Lectures. Dr. Loftus is a noted psychologist who has done a great deal of work on the memory of witnesses as well as some very controversial work on the recollections of children and victims of violence. She will be visiting the law school on Tuesday, Sept. 14 and will be informally available for questions and discussion 2:15 through 3:45 p.m. in the Faculty Lounge.

The first Patten Lecture will be Tuesday, Sept. 14, 7:30 p.m. in Rawles Hall. It is entitled "True and False Memories in the Repressed Memory Controversy". The second will be Thursday, Sept. 16, 7:30 p.m. in Rawles Hall. It is entitled "Imaginary Memories".

"Environmental Conflict Resolution in State Agencies," a brownbag presentation by Nancy Milsten, environmental attorney and Director of the Office of Dispute Resolution at the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. The New Jersey program is considered a model for state agency conflict resolution programs.

Wednesday, Sept. 15th, 2:30 PM in the Dean's Conference Room, School of Public and Environmental Affairs, Room 300. Free cookies and drinks provided! This presentation is sponsored by the School of Public and Environmental Affairs and the Indiana Conflict Resolution Institute.

The Indiana University School of Law Bloomington will host a 2 day labor law symposium in honor of the recent appointment of Kenneth G. Dau-Schmidt to the Willard and Margaret Carr Professorship. Professor Dau-Schmidt is the first holder of this professorship and will present his inaugural lecture, "Employment in a New Age of Trade and Technology: Implications for Labor and Employment Law" at noon on Thursday, September 23, 1999. All events are at the Law School and open to the public.

The symposium will continue at 2:30 p.m. with a panel presentation entitled, "Individual Employment Relationships in the New Age: The Future of Employment Law." Presenters include Professor Stewart Schwab from the Cornell University Law School and Professor Gillian Lester with UCLA Law School.

The second panel presentation "Collective Bargaining in the New Age: The Future of Labor Law," will concur Friday, September 24, 1999, at 10:00 a.m., with presentations by Professor Theodore St. Antoine from the University of Michigan and Professor Michael Harper from Boston University.

Beginning the afternoon panel at 1:30 p.m., presentations will be delivered by Professor Catharine Barnard, Trinity College, Cambridge University and Professor Matthew Finkin from the University of Illinois on "Regulation of the Employment Relationship in a Global Economy."

The symposium will conclude with a roundtable discussion lead by Professor Alvin Goldman from the University of Kentucky on "What the Experience of the Past Tells Us About the Future."

Professor Dau-Schmidt attended the University of Michigan as a Humphrey and Sharfman Fellow, graduating with honors with a law degree in 1981 and a Ph.D. in Economics in 1984. He joined the Indiana University faculty in 1992 after teaching for six years at the University of Cincinnati College of Law. Professor Dau-Schmidt has written one book and more than 25 articles on labor and employment law and the economic analysis of various legal issues. A portion of his work includes: "A Bargaining Analysis of American Labor Law and the Search for Bargaining Equity and Industrial Peace," Michigan Law Review (1992), "Meeting the Demands of Workers into the Twenty-first Century: The Future of Labor and Employment Law," Indiana Law Journal (1993), and "Economics and Sociology: The Prospects for an Inter-disciplinary Discourse on Law," Wisconsin Law Review (1997). His current research project is a book on the economic analysis of labor and employment law. In addition to his writings, Professor Dau-Schmidt has been a speaker at conferences throughout the United States, Canada, and Europe.

Willard Carr received his undergraduate degree from Purdue University and his law degree from Indiana University School of Law in 1950, where he was an editor of the Indiana Law Journal. Following graduation, Mr. Carr served as a Captain in the Judge Advocate General's Department, United States Air Force. In 1952 he joined the Los Angeles office of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, serving on the Executive Committee and since his retirement in 1994, as Advisory Counsel. He is an internationally recognized expert on employment law and labor relations and the author of numerous publications. He serves on the Board of Visitors for the Indiana University School of Law and is a member of the Academy of Law Alumni Fellows. In June 1999, he was a recipient of the Distinguished Alumni Service Award from Indiana University.

Margaret Carr has served on the Board of Directors of numerous community organizations including USC's Pacific Center for Bioethics, the Salvation Army Youth Center, the Junior League of Los Angeles, the American Red Cross and Hollygrove Home for Children. She is a founding Board Member of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation. Mrs. Carr was the first woman to serve as Foreman of the Los Angeles County Grand Jury and as Commissioner of the Los Angeles County Board of Parole. In 1983 she was appointed Chief of Protocol for the County of Los Angeles and served for two years, including the occasion of the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.

Prior to establishing the Labor and Employment Law Professorship, Mr. and Mrs. Carr sponsored a lecture series at the Law School.


Professor Craig Bradley's book entitled "Criminal Procedure: A Worldwide Study" has just been published by Carolina Academic Press.

Professor David Fidler's article "The International Legal Implications of 'Non-Lethal' Weapons," has been accepted for publication in the Winter 1999 issue of the Michigan Journal of International Law, and his article "Facing the global challenges of biological weapons," has been accepted for publication in the Institut Pasteur's journal Microbes and Infection.

Professor Fred Cate has been appointed the chair of the ITU's new standard-setting process for electronic signatures and certification authorities by the Secretary-General of the Int'l Telecommunication Union. The ITU is a specialized agency of the United Nations, headquartered in Geneva, responsible for developing and enforcing global standards for the use of broadcast spectrum and the management of international telephone, radio, and satellite traffic. This new process will consider whether the ITU should adopt worldwide standards to facilitate electronic commerce, create a framework for national standards, support the development of model laws in this area, facilitate private standard- setting, or take no action.


The Student Chapter of the ACLU is sponsoring a presentation by John Krull, Executive Director of the Indiana Civil Liberties Union, titled "Defending the Human Spirit in Challenging Times." A question period will follow. The event will take place in Room 1A of the Monroe County Library (4 blocks west of the law school on Kirkwood), Tuesday, Sept. 14, at 7:00 p.m. All law students are invited.

The Feminist Law Forum will hold its first meeting of the year on Wednesday, Sept. 15, at Noon, in Room 124. We will discuss upcoming events, including our first event on Sept. 22: An opportunity to meet the female faculty at the home of Professor Susan Williams. All persons interested in Feminist issues are encouraged to attend the meeting. Pizza will be served.

Are you interested in issues facing women in the legal profession? If so, bring a friend to the first meeting of the Women's Law Caucus on Tuesday, Sept. 14, at Noon in Room 122. Associate Dean Lauren Robel will be joining us to discuss her experiences and perspective as a woman in the field of law. Lunch will be provided.


The ILA would like to apologize for the difficulty students have had in communicating their submissions to the editor via email. Thank you for your patience while we adjust the computer configuration. As of Saturday, September 11, students should use the address. Faculty and staff may continue to use

Look for Howie's shop to re-open this week in the student lounge.

Seniors: A Graduation Planning Meeting will be held Monday, Sept. 20, 12:15 p.m. in Room 125.

Do you have acting experience? Dean Robel is looking for some actors to present a workshop at this year's Indiana Women Attorney's Conference in Indianapolis on Oct. 21-22. You will get the opportunity to attend the conference free of charge, and network with many, many wonderful lawyers in the state. Email Dean Robel at if you are interested.

Requests for AV services may be sent to Beth at bl-law- Please include the name of your group and the email address of the contact person, a description of what you want to do, and the date, location, starting time and duration of the event. Requests must be made at least 48 hours in advance and will be confirmed by email.


Tuesday, Sept. 14, Noon, Women's Law Caucus meeting, Room 122.

Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2:15 - 3:45 p.m., Elizabeth Loftus in Faculty Lounge.

Tuesday, Sept. 14, 7:00 p.m., ICLA presentation, John Krull at Monroe County Library, Room 1A.

Tuesday, Sept. 14, 7:30 p.m., Patten Lecture by Elizabeth Loftus, Rawles Hall.

Wednesday, Sept. 15, Noon, Feminist Law Forum, Room 124.

Wednesday, Sept. 15th, 2:30 p.m., Brown Bag Presentation by Nancy Milsten, School of Public and

Environmental Affairs, Room 300.

Thursday, Sept. 16, 7:30 p.m., Patten Lecture by Elizabeth Loftus, Rawles Hall.

Friday, Sept. 17, Golf Outing.

Updated: 10 September 1999